Z axis perpendicularity?

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    mon
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    I noticed these lines during a facing operation (using a 1/2″ straight router bit):

    face

    I printed out Ryan’s DW 660 Perpendicularity Tester, and got these results:

    With the tester pointed to the front of the MPCNC:

    pointed-towards-the-front

    With the tester pointed to the back of the MPCNC:

    pointed-towards-the-back

    I tried playing with the tightness of the bolts on the gantry, but they didn’t seem to do anything.

    Everything “seems” to be plumb, but I’m probably not measuring correctly. The back supports are 1mm high, but I don’t think that would account for these symptoms as my build is for a 24″x24″ work area.

    Any thoughts on how to troubleshoot this? Would lowering the back supports help? (Also, I wonder what caused the bit to leave that one circular shape.)

    Thanks.

    #110045

    Tim
    Participant

    You can shim between the tool mount and the z axis in addition to messing with bolt tension.

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    #110065

    Ryan
    Keymaster

    I shim with masking tape usually. I like to get thinks real nice and even. I can;t see it but you might want to make sure you mounts are the right distance apart and the top one is facing the right direction, every once and a while someone gets it backwards.

    #110166

    mon
    Participant

    It turns out that the z is off. The reality is a little more pronounced than how it looks in the photo.

    zJPG

    I’ve tried fiddling with the tightness of the bolts. I had them very loose. The bearings in most places barely rode on the tubes or didn’t touch them at all. Is that the way it should be? Maybe my prints are off?

    In any case, I didn’t see much of a difference with different tightness of the bolts.

    Any suggestions on twisting the bottom of the z towards the front of the machine?

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    Ryan
    Keymaster

    Tightening the lower two 2.5″ bolts will push out the bottom. Start very small 1/4 turns.

    #110723

    mon
    Participant

    I think I discovered a bigger problem in that there’s some play between the bearings and the tubes on my parts. Tightening the 2.5″ bolts don’t do much because of this, other than help engage the bearings with the tubes. Thinking this was a setting on my printer, I printed a new XYZ_C_Burly to test with a spare bearings and a piece of conduit. On that one, the bearings just engage the tubes–which is correct, right? I’m not sure what the issue is. I would hope I would have noticed the gaps when I originally put the MPCNC together. The other possibility is cheap PLA which likes to move away from electrical conduit, which seems unlikely.

    In any case, where’s the best place to shim? Between the 660_Low_Mount and the Tool_Mount_C?

    Thanks.

    #110726

    Ryan
    Keymaster

    It is better to completely take it apart and swap some of the parts positions and put it back together, it really does seem to work. Not sure it if loosens things up in a good way or the second time around the assembly just goes smoother but with a bearing not touching it is extremely far off.

    #110766

    mon
    Participant

    I removed the XYZ_C_Burly off the bottom, since it was the easiest piece to take off. The rollers were loose against the conduit–so much so on one side that I could hear clicks against the bearings when I shook a spare piece of conduit in it. I absentmindedly futzed about with the bolts and bearings while on a long phone call and… Magic? Now the XYZ  holds the conduit snugly on both sides (though tighter on one). I have absolutely no idea what happened, but the “take it apart and put it back together” advice definitely worked for this part. I’ll try the others.

    #110866

    Ryan
    Keymaster

    I have absolutely no idea what happened, but the “take it apart and put it back together” advice definitely worked for this part. I’ll try the others.

    I wish we knew but from day one that tends to be the magic fix.

    #110869

    mon
    Participant

    Putting things back together, a test z tube seems to be perpendicular along the x axis, but not the y. (The bottom of the tube is tilted towards the back of the machine.) Any more magic to try?

    #110947

    mon
    Participant

    This is a little embarrassing, but I’m fairly sure the “magic” I’m looking for are rails that are exactly parallel to the table.

    #110983

    Barry
    Participant

    This is a little embarrassing, but I’m fairly sure the “magic” I’m looking for are rails that are exactly parallel to the table.

    That helps!  I have a block of wood I use as a spacer to get them all the same, then it goes in a drawer under the machine.

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