May 10, 2019 at 6:56 am #99926
i have not have enough experience with wood milling and recently i was faced with some troubles. i need to mill a slot along of wood block. the slot is 4.5mm width and 6mm height.
at first look trivial task. but surprisingly it made the slot that has about 3.5mm width :(.
i prepared design and gcode in fusion 360 with following parameters and tools:
about 17000rpm, single flute carbide flat endmill tool 1/8 diameter and 12mm length, 2 passes with 3mm DOC for each pass, 350mm/min feed rate, climb milling.
the slot milling in 4 movements – 2 DOC levels and 2 movements on each level. slotting on forward movement and widening it in backward movement.
it looks like when it performs slotting at first movement (moving from -X to +X) it some why shifted about 1mm to Y+. And side surface of the slot looks scraped.
my guess that happened because the bit became blunted. near to end of the job i even was saw a smoke from the tool.
so my questions:
how you guys decide that a tool became blunted? is there a way to check it before a stock became a garbage?
did you see that blunted tool makes side shifting when cut a slot?
does my parameters enough good for wood? or it can inspire overheating of the tool and as result rapid blunting?
should i use conventional milling instead of climb for wood?
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Attachments:May 10, 2019 at 1:42 pm #99978
~RPM, and flute number?
That is looking too slow for a dual flute straight cutter. I have a very hard time with straight cutters, they do not evacuate chips so they tend to make a fire real easy.
I much prefer a single flute with a finishing pass to keep it simple and get a relativity clean edge.May 10, 2019 at 2:30 pm #99981May 10, 2019 at 2:33 pm #99984
There should be no issues with what you are trying. Something loose on the build, material slip, loose pulley?May 10, 2019 at 2:34 pm #99985
Add a full depth finishing pass, and see what the dimensions come out to, Roughing should/will always be off.May 10, 2019 at 2:36 pm #99987
As for being dull, That tool should last at least 10 hours, sometimes way longer.
Could your spindle be spinning the wrong way? How tall/big is your machine?May 10, 2019 at 2:39 pm #99988
It’s looks like this force increases significantly (even for full width slotting) and because our cnc not too rigid it can’t prevent shifting of the tool. Tool cuts material, but 1mm aside of expected way
I’m going to just take a fresh tool tomorrow and try again
1 user thanked author for this post.May 10, 2019 at 2:43 pm #99991
Depending on your build size (5′?), but I can pretty easily hit 9-10mm per pass on a 2’x2’x3″ 660, single flute, I even have a video of it. I don’t know any details of your build or hardware.May 10, 2019 at 2:43 pm #99992
I can say is this tool had been used 10 hours or less, but this is first tool i bought and most popular in my experiments.
Cnc has area 400x600x120mm. Stock had 18mm tall.May 10, 2019 at 2:53 pm #99995
A found recently a few threads on russian cnc related forums. Guys talking that first sign of blunting is some smoke (for wood) and melted chips ( for plastic). Also some guys try to scrape a nails by the tool. A few guys use microscopes to check edge of the bladeMay 10, 2019 at 5:54 pm #100020
I’m gonna say that’s too slow for 17000rpm. That’s a more appropriate feedrate for aluminum than it is wood. At 5mm/s, you would take a tiny cut, and just make sawdust instead of chips. That means you don’t have enough chips to absorb and carry away the heat, dulling the tool. Slower is not always better.May 11, 2019 at 9:06 am #100076
Great diagram Guffy!
I’ve had the same issues before when pocketing. Alternating passes would leave some material between. So I had alot of thin slivers of wood in all my pocketing areas. I ended up checking all my Z axis bearings, found some that would not spin when Z axis moved. Tightened those up just until they started spinning again. Also my stepover was too high. I lowered about 15% and all was good.
Stepover adjustment may not help your situation, but check your Z axis bearings. My dimensional accuracy has been close, but have only checked it a couple times.May 11, 2019 at 12:22 pm #100097
It seems the tool was a bit blunt, i was scared that something going wrong and increased rpm. In real it was about 21000, not 17000. That overheated the tool and it became fastly degrading. actually i finally killed the tool.
So today i set rpm dialer between 1 (10000) and 2 (17000) – about 14000 rpm. And took absolutely new tool.
And with same gcode file job milled succeeded.
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