Quiet spindle vs. DeWalt 660?

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  • #103416

    Mike Atencio
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    The point of these questions is I want to save money. I plan to build the Lowrider in about a year. Right now, I’m focusing on the MPCNC and it’s Dewalt 660.

    • Is there an attachment for the 611 Dewalt? I’m using the 660.
    • Is there a reason why I shouldn’t use the Dewalt 660?
    • I don’t see anyone using the 611 on the Lowrider. Is there a reason?
    • Is there an adapter for the Lowrider to attach a 611 or should I stick with the 660 on the Lowrider?
    #103426

    Jeffeb3
    Participant

    The 660 is the smaller one, the 611 is the bigger one with the router base. The 611 has a mount for the low rider, because it comes with that router base and mounts to the flat surface. The 660 is mounted with bands around it for the MPCNC. There are some mounts for routers similar to the 611 for the mpcnc, but IDK if I’ve seen one. I also don’t think I’ve seen a mount for the 660 on the LR.

    It feels like you’ve been asking questions for a long time Mike, when are you going to get this this running?

    #103433

    Mike Atencio
    Participant

    I built the MPCNC. I’m using it for smaller parts. At some point I will have a Lowrider.  I’m trying to save money by reusing some of my parts for the Lowrider.

    Are you uncomfortable about me asking questions? Isn’t that what the forum is for? If you don’t mind answering me,  what business is it of yours how many questions I ask?

    I own the machine, I contribute to others when they ask questions. I’m building another one and eventually will have three or four going full time plasma cutting,  and building parts for furniture among other things. So why ask a silly question like that?

    #103434

    Jeffeb3
    Participant

    Are you uncomfortable about me asking questions? Isn’t that what the forum is for? If you don’t mind answering me, what business is it of yours how many questions I ask?

    I’m sorry. I didn’t mean it like that. I just was trying to encourage you. I dont mind the questions and I appreciate your contributions to the conversation.

    #103435

    Ryan
    Keymaster

    Let me just butt in here real quick.

     

    Mike you would be much better off if you took every single response here as if it was your buddy just messing with you. People in a shop turning off the airline before you go to shoot some brad nails, tickling your ear when you are focusing, lighthearted, always (unless in involves math…that is so0me shit ish). None of us ever have ever gotten into any heavy rude discussions here, at worse it is just a misunderstanding because of a language barrier, never intentional hostility.

     

    Try to have fun with your responses or all of the details just get boring answering them for the 400th time (for some of us).

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    #103437

    Ryan
    Keymaster

    And it is a good thing, the more people mess with you the more comfortable they are with you. To me that means they respect your answers and opinions and the more they feel like you are actually friends and can poke a little bit.

    I mean only Barry in honored with have a near catastrophe named after him…have you ever Barry’d your bit and started a fire?

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    #103439

    Jamie
    Participant

    To be honest I was sorta thinking the same thing, Mike.  Show off more, and it will dispel impressions of being a librarian, for lack of a better word.  Not that I would mind that either, but you might get short changed if people don’t realize you’ve built a real machine that can do real work.

    I know you didn’t ask for this feedback and I hope you don’t take it in a negative way.  I am glad for your contributions, even if you are short on vanity.  🙂

    #103461

    Mike Atencio
    Participant

    I guess the way it’s worded came across that way. I’m posting pics. I started making my waste board and using Aspire to create the file, it went great at first. The machine was unlevel so I should have leveled it first. Lesson one. then drilled the holes for my tee nuts. Now it’s impossible to line up the holes and the file keeps going to the wrong orientation when I run the file. The3 very first run, I had to change XY around and that fixed it. Now, that doesn’t work.

    As for the 660 or 611, I have the smaller for the MPCNC. Space is limited in my shop like most people’s shop. At some point, I will get a porta-building for the Lowrider and then get the other machines built in there. I was thinking I could start printing the Lowrider parts now and then move my 660 over to the Lowrider but with the heavier carving I want to do, I was thinking it was better to switch the 660 over for the 611 on the MPCNC.

    The concern is that it’s heavier and the gantry can’t handle it on the MPCNC. If I use it on the Lowrider, then it’s going to burn out sooner which defeats the whole purpose. I was wondering if anyone had tried it and what their results were before I go through the headache of making attachments et al.

    Now that I write this, I think the best solution is to buy the bigger router and leave it in a box until I have the LR parts printed. I’ll order the LR hardware and things I need and be done with two machines so I can divide the work among them. Here’s some pics of my MPCNC

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    #103465

    Jeffeb3
    Participant

    AFAIK, the 660 hasn’t been mounted on a low rider amd it would be pretty ticky to do without creating the same surface as the mpcnc.

    The 611 hasn’t been mounted on the MPCNC AFAIK, but that seems more doable, since there are other cylindrical mounts for it, although it would be huge. The farther the load gets from the tubes, the more it will sag, and the heavier router will also sag more. The 660 is the ideal router for the MPCNC.

    You shouldn’t worry too much about burning them out, the brushes are what burn out and they are easy to replace. Dewalt has a 1 year warranty, so if you’re not using it, I would wait to buy it. You can just put the money in the box instead :).

    The 611 is a nice router to have around the shop too for things like chamfers and round overs. I wish I had bought the one with two bases so I could remove it and use it with the base in the shop.

    Sorry again for the miscom. I really didn’t mean any ill will and you shouldn’t feel the need to justify your presence. You’re part of the crew like everyone else.

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    #103467

    Mike Atencio
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    That’s the hard thing about forums. No visual body language communication so things come across wrong. The tone of voice, facial expressions, temperament is all missing. No prob. I really did build my machine if that helps.

    I slept all night and came to the same conclusion, not a workable solution either way. My machine jar will get filled up for that build. I have one of those big pickle jars I throw change and bills into for things like my MPCNC and the Lowrider. Here I go again.

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    #103468

    Mike Atencio
    Participant

    Barry’d it? I haven’t done that yet. But my waste board is a close second.

     

    #103510

    Barry
    Participant

    Barry’d it? I haven’t done that yet. But my waste board is a close second.

    Yea, that was kinda scary.

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    #103513

    Mike Atencio
    Participant

    Oh crap!

    #103756

    Tim W
    Participant

    All physical evidence of my mistakes disperse into the fireplace But I have done that also Barry while I was standing right there trying to shut it down very scary.  Also I broke the x right foot and Z motor mount  at the same time

    #103771

    Tom
    Participant

    This would get you close. https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1772756

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    #103772

    Mike Atencio
    Participant

    Hi Tom,

    Very interesting. Thanks so much.

    #103804

    Tom
    Participant

    If someone could redraw that for MPCNC Burly, you will be all set. More power will mean more stress on the gantry.

    Ryan has designed a truly great machine, to be affordable to build with readily available parts. I have read many posts on, why did you do this, or it won’t do that. If you want it to perform like a $10,000 machine, go buy a $10,000 machine. And if your “feelings” are hurt, put your big boy panties on, and move on. ( jmy 2¢)

    First set of brushes DW660 done. Bought new ones here.Carbon Brush for DeWalt (8 Pack)

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    Maybe a new gallery for the “Oh crap!” moments, just so people don’t feel alone in their trials. This is what wiring issues look like in the Y and Z axis. I didn’t have a fire, but it melted the plastic collet into the wood grain.

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    #103813

    Mike Atencio
    Participant

    Too bad the spindle can’t be recessed back into the gantry more. Maybe widening the gantry and using two stepper motors and threaded bolts. That would allow a heavier spindle, higher Zed, and better stability. Just my thought.  The two stepper motors be run from the single wire harness like X and Y.

    Just my two cents worth.  It doesn’t seem like a big modification overall.

    #103814

    Tom
    Participant

    I don’t think any of that is necessary. The 611 would probably work fine, as you have gravity on your side. If you want a rock solid machine, find some one to mill all the printed parts out of billet aluminum. It should be possible to load the STL files and have them milled. Use 1/8 wall stainless tubing or solid round stock. But, affordable/ready available, just went out the window.

    I would like to see a mod for removing the locking collar from the DW660. That would give an extra 3/4″ to 1″ plunge depth. But whoever makes such a thing would assume all liability forever. It can’t be made idiot proof, cause there is always a better idiot.

    #103826

    Mike Atencio
    Participant

    If only. That would be awesome.  Aluminum billet parts would improve a lot but it’s more expensive to get those made. People can’t print their own parts though. I have a 3D printer and didn’t print my parts either. It was acting up. My brother in law runs a machine shop, I might get him to make some parts for me and see what it costs for the MPCNC and Lowrider. Stay tuned for more.

    #103830

    Barry
    Participant

    Once you start talking aluminum parts, you may as well get a bigger machine.  You’re getting out of scope of what these guys were designed for.  Also, I’d really hate to see the bill for the burly parts milled out of aluminum.  That’s not going to be cheap!  Without wire edm, I don’t think it can be milled.  You won’t be able to mill the bearing channels, so you either broach them first, then mill out the center section, or just edm the shape.  Either way, $$$$!

    #103842

    Mike Atencio
    Participant

    And there’s that.

    #103844

    Jamie
    Participant

    Not that you need more reasons, but the plastic needs to deform a bit to hold the bearings snug against the rails.

    Aluminum parts would probably end up squeezing the rails really hard, if you can even get the rails in at all.

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    #103852

    Erwin Vigilia
    Participant

    Either way, $$$$!

    Last time I put “serious” money into a hobby is shown in my avatar (42% scale Edge 540)… then I got divorced, the lawyer bought it off me… cheap. I’m hoping my addiction to Ryan’s creation doesn’t follow the same route because I’m dreaming of BIGGER AND MOAR POWER!!! Yeah baby!

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    #103854

    Mike Atencio
    Participant

    Amen brother.  I’m with you on that. I’m trying to find things I can make and sell so my wife gets off my tailfeathers about my “new machine”.  Anything would work. No peace until I do. She said “That money could have been used for your daughter’s wedding. ” I said “Nope. It’s for my making things. I can even sell stuff.” Yup, I’m screwed.

     

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    #103856

    Tom
    Participant

    Mike carve something for your wife, something nice. It slows the comments to a dull roar.

    Find some little things to carve and give away. “Word of mouth” is what starts a small business.

    For making these parts, roll back your machinery options 40-50 years. Several decades back, I sent a lot of time in an old machinist’s shop. Mostly being a pest, I cleaned his shop as a teenager, for knowledge. I have no doubt, that could make these parts. They might not be as pretty, but they would have been rifle accurate.

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    #103877

    Mike Atencio
    Participant

    That’s what I’m going to do.  Thinking of making some whirligigs. I have some plans for beautiful jewelry boxes too. I have to modify the plans for it first.

    Funny you say that.  I was raised in a welding shop. The man my mom worked for let me clean shop and taught me to braze, weld and other neat stuff.

    #103951

    Barry
    Participant

    I’ve done weddings both ways now.  It’s sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much easier to elope, then have a big party afterwards.  The wedding I’ve found out, is really for the mother.

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